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Title: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Bazinga on November 13, 2011, 12:44:06 pm
Guys, I see that there are few of you here who use AOC-SAS2LP-MV8. I just got the card and migrated my drives to it. I'm running 2008 R2. What I noticed, is that Windows no longer powers down drives as it used to when they were connected to the MB Sata ports - I have power settings set up to power down drives after 20 minutes of inactivity.

Any ideas? I would appreciate your help!
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Bazinga on March 17, 2012, 02:38:13 pm
Looks like there is noone who same experience/card. Too bad - my drives keep spinning all the time.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: webs0r on March 17, 2012, 04:15:23 pm
FWIW I have the AOC-SASLP-MV8, but I'm running it with the SAS2 driver (for 3TB support) on Windows, and spin down works for me.

I'm surprised the SAS2 would not work by design.

Is anything touching your drives regularly? Most SMART monitoring software keeps the drives from idling.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: dasmarx on March 18, 2012, 01:04:19 pm
Websor, are you sure it is windows that is spinning your drives down? I had no luck spinning my drives down with an intel sasuc8i and an m1015 flashed to lsi 9211 firmware.
The problem is the storport driver (which by default will not be supported by windows with power management features like spindown). It is possible to send spindown commands through sdparm or other programs, but windows will not use any of those.

So i think your driver is not a storport driver, or your saslp-mv8 has some settings about this.

Sdparm website:
http://sg.danny.cz/sg/sdparm.html

At my setup, i made a batch file, which will set a timeout value after each start and let the drives handle the spindown.
There is only one problem. Windows will not know that and one sees pretty long access times because it (windows? :P) has to wait for each drive (and will not start all at the same time).

If you are using xbmc or any other media player solution, thats no problem because there is only 1 access on that specific file.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: gorman on March 30, 2012, 03:13:41 am
Windows 7 Ultra x64 here, two AOC-SASLP-MV8 cards in my server. Hard drive spin down works fine (Windows settings). Driver for the Marvel controller is 3.1.0.22.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: timotl on March 30, 2012, 08:31:29 am
I found this article recently about Idle Power Management in the Storport driver:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff561476(v=vs.85).aspx (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff561476(v=vs.85).aspx)

You have to edit the inf file for your driver and add the change. This will invalidate the driver signature so you have to force install the driver.
I tried the modification on my 2 LSI cards and now the drives do spin down via the power setting in control panel.
Seems fine so far for me, but vendors may have left this disabled for a good reason.

-timotl


Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: alexd_uk on March 30, 2012, 12:29:09 pm
All,

With this card, when your drives are spun down, are you running storage pooling?  If so, do the relevant drives automatically spin up and allow you to access the network shares from the pool correctly (albeit with some lag while the drives spin up)?  Especially interested if anyone is having this working with XBMC clients?

I am using a 3WARE 9650-16ML and control-panel-based drive spin down works fine under Windows 7 64-bit, BUT a couple of the drives will randomly (maybe everything fine for 1 or 2 days but then) not wake up correctly and they 'disappear' from the controller until I do a hard reboot.  I have had to disable drive power down and leave them all spinning otherwise things start going wrong.

Would consider changing controller if other people are having success with this?

Thanks
Alex
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on March 30, 2012, 01:48:32 pm
Alex,

I have a 3ware 9650 too and I decided to rebuild my whole system with a AOC-SASLP-MV8 and flexraid. The main reason was that my drives are not the RAID type and for that reason I would frequently have drives not being recognized at boot. I would then have to recover the raid very frequently because of a dropped drive. It never happened, but if more then one drive were dropped during boot... bye bye all data!

I am using mediaportal and drives wake up as they should and as you expected mediaportal freezes for a few moments wainting for the drive to spin.

The 3ware controller is pretty fast but I never felt my data was safe.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: webs0r on March 30, 2012, 04:23:43 pm
Alexd_uk I can also confirm no drive dropouts with the AOC-SASLP-MV8.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on March 31, 2012, 06:07:19 pm
hummmm

whs is not powering down the drives anymore.

Can anyone tell me if drives are powering down using AOC-SASLP-MV8 and Flexraid update 2 ?

Brahim, was anything changed in this respect from the first release to update 1 or update 2?
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 01, 2012, 07:36:57 am
Changed AOC-SASLP-MV8 firmware back to previous version as well as windows driver to no avail.

The only thing I can think of is a change in Flexraid.

Anyone?
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: dscline on April 01, 2012, 11:00:02 am
Alexd_uk I can also confirm no drive dropouts with the AOC-SASLP-MV8.
I've had drop-outs on the AOC-SASLP-MV8.  I don't believe they were due specifically to the card, I had a drive with some bad sectors, and it seemed that whenever something attempted to write to those sectors, the drive would just drop out.  I haven't had it happen in a long time... that drive has since been replaced, and I may have updated the card's firmware and/or drivers since then.  But I can say that this card doesn't necessarily deal with drive issues as gracefully as it should.  There are other reports of this issue in this long HardForum thread (http://hardforum.com//showthread.php?t=1397855) about this card.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: webs0r on April 01, 2012, 04:00:40 pm
But I can say that this card doesn't necessarily deal with drive issues as gracefully as it should.  There are other reports of this issue in this long HardForum thread (http://hardforum.com//showthread.php?t=1397855) about this card.

 :( Good to know. It was so nearly perfect!
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: dscline on April 01, 2012, 05:48:39 pm
Note however that there are two cards being discussed here:  the AOC-SASLP-MV8, and the AOC-SAS2LP-MV8.  The latter is the newer card, I have the older one.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 01, 2012, 06:02:19 pm
dscline,

Do your drives spin down? Which version of firmware and windows drivers are you using? And which version of flexraid are you using?
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: dscline on April 01, 2012, 07:59:34 pm
Windows reports my driver version as 4.0.0.1200 (that doesn't sound right, but I guess that's what it is).  I'll have to check on the firmware, I thought it ended in a 21, but can't remember.  I don't THINK the drives on this card spin down right now.  But I haven't tried the .inf editing mentiond in this thread yet.  I have a new controller on the way, if/when I get it working correctly, then I'll see how much luck I have getting spin-down to work.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 01, 2012, 08:25:58 pm
I tried all firmwares and drivers including the ones you mentioned.

The strange thing is that I had the drives spinning down before and I donĀ“t know what I have changed that is preventing the drives from spinning down.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 01, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
dscline,

I don't think that the inf change would work. Look:

Quote
Storport IPM is supported in the following system configuration only:
 
Systems that use a SATA adapter with a single SATA disk drive attached
 
Storport IPM is not supported in the following system configurations:
 
Systems that have non-direct attached storage (FC, iSCSI, and others)
 
Systems that have external storage arrays and RAID controllers
 
Systems that have MPIO
 
Systems that have non-SATA host bus adapters
 
Systems that have more than one disk attached to a SATA adapter
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: dscline on April 01, 2012, 09:58:42 pm
dscline,

I don't think that the inf change would work. Look:

Well, perhaps timotl will have to clarify:
I tried the modification on my 2 LSI cards and now the drives do spin down via the power setting in control panel.
He doesn't specify which LSI cards he has, but I'd have to assume they are either SAS compabible HBAs or RAID controllers, which Windows generally puts in the "SCSI / RAID" category.  And People don't usually buy those to put just one drive on.  ;)
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 02, 2012, 07:38:41 am
I reinstalled all my system again, WHS included.  Even with flexraid not installed I could not get the drives to spin down.

Firmware update must have messed something up.

Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 02, 2012, 09:58:23 pm
Finally figured it out.
Firmware update must have set the same SAS ADDRESS to all ports.

Now everything is good.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Bazinga on April 03, 2012, 04:20:41 pm
Wow, I didn't check this thread and it got a lot of attention recently.

Well, I have the second version of the card - AOC-SAS2LP-MV8, and contacted Supermicro support a while ago. Got a very short answer with no further replies - "It should work". Well, it does not. I recently reinstalled my OS and noticed that the drives were not spinning down even without FR installed. Also, there is nothing there that would keep accessing the drives.

I will try that INF hack and see if that works.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 03, 2012, 04:35:26 pm
Bazinga,

First look the ports sas addresses.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Bazinga on April 04, 2012, 01:21:35 am
Bazinga,

First look the ports sas addresses.

Cassius, thanks! Could you please tell me where I can check that? I quickly looked at the properties of "Marvell 94xx SAS/SATA RAID Controller" in Device Manager and didn't see anything related to SAS addresses in the properties on the device there...
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 04, 2012, 06:52:54 am
During boot, you have to hit ctrl-m until you see the AOC-SASLP-MV8. The first screen will list the ports and current sas addresses.

Write down all the info you see. That should be:

- VendorID:DeviceID
- Bios Version:
......
and so on.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: naeonline on April 04, 2012, 11:48:39 am
@Cassius

So if you've determined that it is giving them all the same SAS address, how do you change it?
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 04, 2012, 11:51:14 am
By running the bios update utility with the correct config file. I only tried that with firmware 3.1.0.15N.

I might try updating to 3.1.0.21 but I not sure yet as my system is running fine.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Bazinga on April 04, 2012, 12:46:14 pm
During boot, you have to hit ctrl-m until you see the AOC-SASLP-MV8. The first screen will list the ports and current sas addresses.

Write down all the info you see. That should be:

- VendorID:DeviceID
- Bios Version:
......
and so on.

Ok, thanks man. I will need to do it soon, but my server is headless so I need to get a display to it first.

Do you have SAS or SAS2 version of the board?

As for updating BIOS (I assume you mean SAS2 board firmware). I've got firmware 4.0.0.1800 from  Supermicro site (ftp://ftp.supermicro.com/driver/SAS/Marvell/MV8/SAS2/Firmware/4.0.0.1800/).
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Cassius on April 04, 2012, 01:20:40 pm
Mine is the first version AOC-SASLP-MV8.
Not sure if SAS2 is the same case.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: naeonline on April 04, 2012, 02:10:18 pm
OK, Just confirmed that it is setting my SAS addresses to the same one for all my disks.  I'll have to fiddle with this later when I have time, but thanks for the heads up on this issue and the direction to go Cassius!

I also have an onboard SAS chip with 2 ports that does this as well.  They're both (onboard and AOC-SAS chipsets) from Marvell so I should be able to find a solution for both.  I'll report back when I figure it out.  This might be part of my problem with throughput from the card being bundled per physical mini SAS port as well.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: b0rna on January 22, 2013, 04:07:25 am
Just so anyone else has this issue, I know I'm bringing back a zombie but there are still folks like me who are still buying these cards SAS2LP-MV8 and having issues.

Following are my experience:

The storport driver does not allow spin down regardless of OS. I've tried windows 7, windows server 2012 and windows home server.

I have tried the IPM Configuration fix to enable the "enableIdlePowerManagement" for storport drivers from the MSDN article. I can confirm that the registry key is created after a restart. This however also does not work.

I should add that I'm on the latest firmware and all SAS addresses of both cards in my system are identical.

The only solution that will allow native windows spin down is to install the windows XP/2003 miniport driver instead. This will allow native spin down to work.

Thankfully, with the miniport driver, things work in windows7/8/server 2012 so it should function for years to come. Performance deltas are unknown as of now but I have read that performance is not degraded.

Oh and don't bother contacting supermicro support. It will be a waste of your time.

Hope this helps.

Borna.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: hopester on March 17, 2013, 09:48:43 am
I have a AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and spindown has always worked for me fine. I use whs2011 and the supermicro drivers. One tip is to set the spindown to 1 minute and watch the led's on the card to ensure nothing is accessing the drives causing them to spin up.

One warning I would give is that Supermicro have released a new bios 4.0.0.1808, I tried to install this the other day and the flasher cleared the bios and then hung before reflashing the device leaving me with a dead card. I'm now waiting to return the card.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Promod117 on March 21, 2013, 10:21:53 pm
I just got one of these cards and will be installing it in a WHS 2011 system.  All the drivers appear to be named the same, (although in two different folders). Could someone please help me out with a few simple installation steps?   Also, I am not familiar with "Spindown" or where to set it.  My system is mostly a home media server which may be accessed at anytime during the day and I will be doing nightly back-ups from 5 PCs.

Thanks in advance!

Paul
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: b-earl on March 22, 2013, 05:13:17 am
Hi promod117,

The spindown if supported by the drivers is used in the Power management of the Windows Control Panel. There you select a time after which you want Windows to shut down the drives.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Promod117 on March 22, 2013, 06:38:35 am
Thanks for the reply!

Another question I thought of.... Is there any special configuration in FlexRAID for this add on card?  I have FlexRAID running with the motherboard SATA ports.  It just doesn't seem to me that it is as simple as unplugging the drives from the motherboard and plugging them into the SAS cable. 

Now to figure which driver to use.

Thanks!
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Promod117 on March 22, 2013, 09:43:24 pm
Is there a suggested spin-down time?  Mine was set for 30 minutes.  I did locate the miniport driver and set it at 1 minute to test. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: b-earl on March 23, 2013, 02:54:12 am
Hi,
I think there is no special configuration for the card. For my LSI 9210/9211 there was not. I think, but that Brahim can answer better that the drives are handled via there ID so it should be as easy as just changing the ports because the ID is recognized and then it doesn't matter if it is  connected to the motherboard sata or the PCIE Controller the next day.
Use the spin down Time you want. If it is too short then you will have to wait too often for the drive to start when you want to access a file. I have mine at 20 minutes.
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: Promod117 on March 23, 2013, 06:40:02 am
Thanks!
Title: Re: AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and Windows Powering down HDDs
Post by: SloPoke on December 19, 2017, 10:23:19 am
Just so anyone else has this issue, I know I'm bringing back a zombie but there are still folks like me who are still buying these cards SAS2LP-MV8 and having issues.

.
.
.

The only solution that will allow native windows spin down is to install the windows XP/2003 miniport driver instead. This will allow native spin down to work.

Thankfully, with the miniport driver, things work in windows7/8/server 2012 so it should function for years to come. Performance deltas are unknown as of now but I have read that performance is not degraded.

Oh and don't bother contacting supermicro support. It will be a waste of your time.

Hope this helps.

Borna.

The zombie just won't die.  Can you tell me the name, version, and date of the miniport driver that works? I was able to find 4.0.0.2010, 3/1/2010, mv94xx.sys, but that doesn't appear to allow drive standby.